Zelda Mafia Round 2 Night One (IMPORTANT, REPLACEMENT NEEDED!)

[Daos]

To be honest I'm actually really suspicious of Wyborn right now. How do you know so much about this "slasher" anyways? Yes, we do have to take out a mafia member in the first day but I can't commit to any sort of vote until I know more. I think the slasher would go along with hanging just about anyone and like the mafia make sure someone is lynched every day. That said I cannot for the life of me trust ANYONE at this early point.

Now, I'm not good with math but I would agree in saying there are probably more mafia members then there were in the last game. It would only make sense with the larger number of players. That said, look for the united front because this early in the game the mafia would want as quick a hanging as possible.

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The big guy was worried, only a few hours had passed and already everyone was beginning to point fingers at each others. What if in their panic they started to loot the local shops? He would not want to see something happen to his wonderful archery game but at the same time he would not want someone to hurt him if he actually tried to defend it!
What made matters that much worse was the city guard were not allowing people out of the town. Good octoroks! Why was it any time there was even a hint of danger they would wall people INTO the city?! It made no sense! Maybe the guards are working with the mafia, oh no! Then the big, bearded guy (who will now be called Daos) pointed at the male dancing around with his love and announced his suspicion.

FoS: Wyborn

[ZeldaGirl]

I find it interesting to track members that are online presently, but have not yet posted. I mean, they haven't even made an appearance here Day One? Inactivity due to not being on VGF at the time is one thing, but purposefully avoiding the topic makes me wonder - what are you people hiding? Why don't (and what don't) you want to post?

[The Missing Link]

However, the mafia could just as well trick us into hanging one of them.

The Mafia would be foolish to trick the Townies into hanging one of the Mafia.

Unless this little pronoun problem is a hint of something deeper...

[Apollo the Just]

^ Maybe Wy's just smarter than us. I didn't figure out anything about the slasher until he mentioned it; but now that he did, he's probably right. Crav wouldn't have mentioned that excerpt about the independent kill if it didn't affect us.

OR maybe he's not so smart, he just figured that out due to EXPERIENCE, perhaps CURRENT experience?

However, it is not possible to determine that right now. As we figured out last mafia. Wy has played many times... he has experience, but he is also SMART. He could have put two and two together, or he could BE the slasher and assume the rest of us figured it out, thus wasn't afraid to reveal this person.

I'm not going to FoS anyone right now. It's not possible to know if Wy is innocent or not by this, the stakes are fifty-fifty. I'm also not going to FoS Daos JUST YET for being so impulsive- he may have just been trying to get conversation started. However, if he continues such rash behavior, I may throw my finger out there in the near future.

I am going to proceed cautiously this game... it's the only way to survive.

[Daos]

We have 21 people - we'll look at it as 20 people + 1 Slasher (this is the guy whose whole goal is to kill everyone in the game except himself, it's hard for him to win and nobody else can win while he lives - unless the Mafia outnumbers him in the end)

Here is the post you need to defend Wy, HOW do you know the role of the slasher?

[Apollo the Just]

EDIT my post was directed towards Daos's post, not TML's, for the record...

[The Missing Link]

Here is the post you need to defend Wy, HOW do you know the role of the slasher?

Mafia (game) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Apollo the Just]

DOUBLE EDIT: oh, and TML, take it how you will, but that was a mistake. I meant to say the mafia would trick us into hanging a townie. That's the truth; believe it if you will, don't if you won't. Whatever, I know what I mean.

[Daos]

Hmm, well that makes sense I guess. I guess I'll let Wyborn of the hook for now and assume he has also researched the roles.

[The Missing Link]

I didn't officially FoS you, CuccoLady. People do make mistakes. But people also make mistakes. I merely thought it beneficial to at least point it out in the Court Record.

[Apollo the Just]

Ah, I'd have to assume that, too. As I said, Wy's experienced with mafia... even more than we are. He'd know that term.

Alright, Wy is pretty much in the clear now, in my eyes... unless, of course, TML is conspiring with him and covering for him?? Maybe they're both MAFIA instead, and are subtly helping one another out and throwing suspicion off one another.

Not likely, but an idea nonetheless.

[ZeldaGirl]

[quote="Wiki]
Association Roles

Cupid chooses a pair of “Lovers” on the first night. In this variant"]


O_O

*Looks at Wy and Silvie with narrowed eyes*

I'm watching you guys. *shifty eyes*

[Wyborn]

"Oh, Honey, you will excuse me again, won't you?" He didn't wait for an answer - he couldn't. All of a sudden he was defending himself, a whirlwind of motion that spoke of the energy the couple kept restrained in their dances together.

He twirled and came to a stop with his feet planted apart.

"Sakon!' (CuccoLady)

"You should know that a mob mentality is the entire point here - it is true that we have to encourage some to lead but if everyone operates solely on their own ideas then we won't be able to get a united front going and all, no one will be hung, and the Mafia and Slasher will outnumber the townies, possibly in as little as five rounds! If we act it may be sped up or shortened, but we will definitely lose if we all try to arrive independently at the same conclusion, which means your suggestion echoes the previous Mafia-killers while still giving an advantage to those who would kill Townies!"

He spun again, twirling on his heel as if he was on an ice rink, and when he came to a stop his finger was jammed in the direction of the large bearded man.

"Daos!" (Daos)

"I have nothing to defend - even assuming that I have no previous knowledge of the game and its mechanics (I obviously do), it's specifically mentioned in the Clock Town Times that the murder in question had nothing to do with the Mafia, and that there is a serial killer on the loose! If I was said serial killer I would be best served by never mentioning it at all, because there's a damn good chance that no one here would have caught it if I stayed quiet! Outing the role of the Slasher only serves the Townies, and pointing your finger at me for it only serves to condemn you!"

He leapt, then, landing without impact with his feet planted on the headrests of two chairs. His sudden burst of acrobatic skill was stonishing to the point of dumbfounding onlookers.

"The invisible woman!" (ZeldaGirl)

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She says, from atop her invisible throne, refusing to show herself at all! Nevermind that some people may simply be looking in on the events and then walk away from their viewing portals (OoC: I mean leave their browsers open; I do it -OoC), the simple fact here is that this is method of suspicion, faulty in the first place, doubly applies to anyone who remains invisible! Show yourself to us, if you dare, lest you be outed by your liar's tongue!"

He leapt down from the seats on which he stood, spinning into a sweeping hold on his lover's waist and dipping her below him as his eyes poured out over the three to whom he had just spoken.

"Daos! You speak with logic that is known to be false!

We know this to be false from the last game, if not in effect then in principle: it is in the Mafia's favor for there to never be a hanging at all! I proved this principle myself! Hanging is the surest way to kill Mafia because it is meted out according to the best reasoning made by any particular person, reasoning good enough to convince everyone else. Worse yet, we know that a united front from the Mafia can't be a positive indicator of whether or not they're Mafia, simply because you said that! All of this adds up, Daos, and the sum is black and dire!"

"ZeldaGirl! You throw out accusations that apply to you even in their nonsensicality!"

"I demand that the two of you defend yourselves!"

FoS: Daos
FoS: ZeldaGirl

OoC: In case it comes up, SilverWind happens to be doing an essay and as such cannot post much. I shouldn't be posting either, actually, yet here I am, yelling at you silly people.

And if it seems like I'm really gung-ho about this? Can't help it, I just am. I'd rather be a target who accomplishes something before he dies, and if I do die I know that the rest of you will be spurred to action. -OoC

Doublepost:

THRICE-DAMNED IMAGE TAGS GRAAAAAAAAAAGH

[Apollo the Just]

[quote="wy]"]

This is true; I don't think I worded myself too well. I meant that, if EVERYONE posted their suspicions and reasons (didn't just follow others), then everyone could debate all of the logical, independent reasoning present, and decide who could be correct. So, pretty much, everyone works independently on gathering suspicions. Once this is done, debates occur and eventually everyone decides BASED OFF OF THESE who they should link. That way, it's not leaning too far to the more logical people.

If we didn't do this and just followed others, think... WHAT IF HOTD OR ZG IS MAFIA?? We'd DIE. That's why independent thinking should be the first step, then after our thoughts have been discussed, we can join and vote over who we think is most suspicious. I think this is a logical course of action; what do you think, guys?

[ZeldaGirl]

Oh, I wasn't accusing anyone - I was stating that I found it odd that people who have been going on for days saying how excited they were for the game to start appear to be online yet have not posted in the topic. Does no one else find this strange? If not, then hey, I guess I'm just overly paranoid, but I would have thought that more individuals would have at least posted in the topic. I mean, if it says that they've been online today... perhaps that's just my perception.

And I have had my user status set to invisible long before the concept of Zelda Mafia has been around. If it truly bothers you much, I'll take it off.


Though, I find my invisibility to be irrelevant in the point I was trying to make - I've made the effort to post in the topic. I'm wondering why other people who were so excited and gun-ho to start are suddenly "silent."

Sorry, I didn't mean to accuse anyone (I'm still watching you, dancing couple ), I just was wondering if anyone else noticed that. I guess I'm just overly paranoid about it.

[Rayman FREAK]

Wyborn, your FoS at ZeldaGirl seem a bit harsh to me. She's employing a tactic that helped oust Blake as the final mafia member in round 1. I do agree, the tactic has flaws, but I wouldn't FoS her for using it.

Your suspicions of Daos do seem merited, as I was also taken aback by his FoS, and reason for it, at you earlier.

[ZeldaGirl]

DOUBLE POST: That's directed at Wy.

[Apollo the Just]

Ian, don't go killing me for inactivity now- but I have to go practice cello. Will be back at around 8:30-9 West Coast Time. K?

[SilverWind]

Bent back in a dip supported by her beloved, the girl reached out to stroke his cheek supportively when he finished his speech.

"Darling," she murmured. "That was so eloquent of you...! And to have them suspect you so cruelly just because you have the goodness to warn everyone of the possible dangers..." the girl's eyes misted over as she embraced the youth closely. "I'm sure everyone will see what I do in you, Darling~ And I trust in you completely."


[OOC]
That last part is a lie. I HAVE MY EYE ON EVERYBODY. ... Though I haven't really had the time to look things over properly. Essays!

I'm still waiting, though, for a response from Chunky.

[The Missing Link]

Alright, Wy is pretty much in the clear now, in my eyes... unless, of course, TML is conspiring with him and covering for him?? Maybe they're both MAFIA instead, and are subtly helping one another out and throwing suspicion off one another.

Not likely, but an idea nonetheless.

Very much not likely.

Wyborn, as you saw, could easily defend the accusation by claiming experience, which he obviously has. He could have even thrown the trump card of the Wiki' link that I used, and we'd have been all back to square one. I just figured I'd shortcut the middleman out of this one.

Second, accusing Wyborn of being the Slasher would be... well, rather peculiar. If I were the Slasher, given that most of the people here haven't had experience with that, I wouldn't go out dangling that option out there in the open. I would've used the element of surprise to steal a few kills while people weren't so worried about it. I would highly doubt that it was Wyborn... unless he's just doing that to detract himself, of course. But that's how the cookie crumbles.

In short, your theory is a Longshot, but it really doesn't have that much backing. What I'm going for is to get people to ask smarter questions. Asking the Mafia expert about how he would know about "Role X" in the game is certainly not a smart question.