Matrix Revolutions

[imported_Parrakarry]

Bolt, I get the whole Jesus God symbolism thing, but does that mean I'm supposed to read the bible in order to figure out the ending or something? Lame.

[AJ Middleton]

That's right. It's Science Fiction. Not Fantasy. The point of Science Fiction is that in Science Fiction, the "real world" follows all of the normal, physical laws and such. The point of Science Fiction is that in Science Fiction, the ideas "could" be real, in a sense, thousands of years in a future.

Isn't science fiction futuristic fantasy? Hmm, that's what I always thought. I have never encountered a science fiction story in which things were feasible.

Oh, and how exactly did the machines kill Smith? They, like, shot Neo with energy after he transformed into Smith? It sort of made sense, but I personally thought it was a little goofy.

The Source gave Neo a mega power boost, enabling him to destroy Smith.

Still, Smith is just a program. I don't see how a program can exist in flesh.

Just like how a programed bullet can kill the flesh.

Personally, I thought the 2nd Matrix idea was interesting, just from a Computer Science perspective. It makes sense to have a sort of "backup" system in case something goes wrong with the first.

But it sucks from a story perspective. The whole "Oops! The real world wasn't real!" idea is overused.

Jay, I know very well that you start to get upset at anything that isn't clear cut. I think that's unfair. Not everything is as simple and one-sided as a math equation.

[Deku Tree]

^Yeah, I noticed that too. It's a really cool irony.

I’m pretty sure that what the machines pumped into Neo wasn’t like a major power boost. Remember what the Oracle said in Reloaded about what happens “a program that’s doing something it’s not supposed to?” I’m pretty sure what they pumped into Neo was The Source.

Morpheus has always been the John the Baptist to Neo's Jesus. As such, it makes a lot of sense for his character to be less important as Neo becomes more important.

The source explanation is no more a fantasy cop out than the fact that you can do gravity defying stuff inside the matrix. Though Neo’s wireless connection to the matrix seems mystical, there’s probably a technical explanation.

The choreography during the Neo vs. Smith fight could have used less flying, yes. Other than that I enjoyed the scene.

I didn’t find Trinity’s death dishonorable at all. In a lot of ways it was like the Key Maker’s death. The speech could have been better though

Neo was fighting Smith after the machines had already been called off. That was actually the only condition on which he agreed to fight Smith. A simultaneous climax doesn’t fit in with the story.

I didn’t understand the whole point of the family Neo met at Mobil Avenue. However I’m pretty sure I’d figure it out if I watched it again. And the trainman thing seemed weird, but I heard he was in Enter the Matrix so maybe I’m missing part of that. The Watchowski brothers wouldn’t have put them in there for no reason. As we all know, without purpose they would not exist. ^_~

[Lurch1982]

No, its a bad ending because absolutely nothing was explained and everything just seemed thrown together into something that cheapened the entire series.

They tell you what the architect is; a program meant to balance the equation. The oracle is the program designed to unbalance it.

Merovingian was such a cool character and his group vs. Neo/Morpheous/trinity/etc could have had a movie unto themselves. Just going by his character, he wouldn't have allowed Trinity to get away with that stunt she pulled in the club (double-cross, etc).

thrown in characters like ALL OF ZION. Aside from the crew of the Nebbucanezzar (sp), Agent Smith, and perhaps the Oracle, every other character in that movie was disgustingly shallow. The Kid's character makes more sense if you watch the Animatrix, but he wasn't fleshed out at all. See, secondary characters could have died in reloaded and revolutions, but I wouldn't have cared because they were fleshed out about as much as Neo's boss in the first scene of The Matrix.

Merovingian appearing for 30 seconds in revolutions ISN'T anticlimatic? His personality would have driven him to even further revenge and he wouldn't have let them go free.

Morpheous' transition was expected (teacher to follower).

Source explaination is uber-cheap.

Jay, rent the Animatrix and watch the Kid's story. It makes hella-more sense.

Bolt, disagree with you. Why didn't the source just send that boost through the system in the first place when Smith started to take over?

Smith taking over the mind was essentially reprogramming. In the matrix, the mind is like another program. Smith pretty much infected the program and corrupted it, making Bane's mind a copy of Smith's.

All signs pointed to them going the way of the cliched world-in-a-world-in-a-world road.

Bolt, stop treating it like jay's the only one who found something wrong with the movie. Way too many people did, including the best page on the internet, myself, critics, fans, and a majority of the people who went to see it.

Neo was already dead/taken over when the source was pumped through him, thus invalidating the whole "power-boost super One" theory. Stop watching DBZ, it sucks. Yes, I'm almost 100% certain it was the source (look at the door in reloaded, same light).

If Morpheous was John the Baptist, why wasn't his head brought on a silver platter?

Source explaination is a cheap cop-out. The first two movies (especially the first) suggested that Neo's powers stem from an understanding that the system isn't real. This higher understanding allows him to not fall prey to the rules of the system (gravity, death, etc). The source in the real world is not explained at all. What makes Neo, who was in a capsule to begin with, any different than Morpheous, Trinity, Bane, the Kid, or any other character in the trilogy that was jacked in. People that accept that idea seem to think that Neo was somehow infused with the source from creation. No, sorry. Everything in the first and second indicate otherwise (more of a spiritual thing).

Trinity DIDN'T die properly. She would have died properly if they would have let her die in Reloaded. "Oh, you got stabbed, but I'm too busy looking at yellow lights!"