On “tough love” and your fat friend’s health
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[QUOTE="I REALLY HATE POKEMON!, post: 1594690, member: 18119"]An assumption runs on the belief that something is true. Believing that something is probable only means that it is likely. So when you see a fat kid, thanks to our knowledge of what the common reasons are, we can believe that it is probably because of their diet.
Unless I'm missing something, these two words[/QUOTE]
You're not reading the sentence as intended.
“It’s probably from eating all that pizza and ice cream. It tastes good, doesn’t it? But it makes your body big and fat.”
"eating all that pizza and ice cream" is an assumption in this sentence, and given that, he think it's probably the cause. As you can tell from "it tastes good, doesn't it?", he is stating that she has a bad diet, not merely believing it probable based on her weight. Then he makes the whole debate irrelevant by just directly and conclusively blaming her assumed diet with "it makes your body big."
Compare to: "Unhealthy eating is a common cause. What's your diet like?" or "how have you been eating since your last visit?" This is also why a good doctor treating someone for lung cancer would check for environmental causes and not, without prior knowledge, just say "it's probably from all that chain smoking."
Unless I'm missing something, these two words[/QUOTE]
You're not reading the sentence as intended.
“It’s probably from eating all that pizza and ice cream. It tastes good, doesn’t it? But it makes your body big and fat.”
"eating all that pizza and ice cream" is an assumption in this sentence, and given that, he think it's probably the cause. As you can tell from "it tastes good, doesn't it?", he is stating that she has a bad diet, not merely believing it probable based on her weight. Then he makes the whole debate irrelevant by just directly and conclusively blaming her assumed diet with "it makes your body big."
Compare to: "Unhealthy eating is a common cause. What's your diet like?" or "how have you been eating since your last visit?" This is also why a good doctor treating someone for lung cancer would check for environmental causes and not, without prior knowledge, just say "it's probably from all that chain smoking."
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[QUOTE="Tazy Ten, post: 1594707, member: 19345"]Didn't the other doctor say that for an ear infection? I suppose he was just giving advice for what else the author should do for themselves, but I don't know if the author and the doctor were thinking of the same thing when after care was mentioned.[/QUOTE]
He seemed to mention it separate from the ear infection, as far as I could tell, just as something else to note.
[QUOTE="I am nobody, post: 1594708, member: 34539"]You're not reading the sentence as intended.
“It’s probably from eating all that pizza and ice cream. It tastes good, doesn’t it? But it makes your body big and fat.”
"eating all that pizza and ice cream" is an assumption in this sentence, and given that, he think it's probably the cause. As you can tell from "it tastes good, doesn't it?", he is stating that she has a bad diet, not merely believing it probable based on her weight. Then he makes the whole debate irrelevant by just directly and conclusively blaming her assumed diet with "it makes your body big."
Compare to: "Unhealthy eating is a common cause. What's your diet like?" or "how have you been eating since your last visit?" This is also why a good doctor treating someone for lung cancer would check for environmental causes and not, without prior knowledge, just say "it's probably from all that chain smoking."[/QUOTE]
Good points, I agree. At least I proved I had a firm grasp on the words "assumption" and "probable," though now a hollow victory, haha. I still stand by what I initially said regarding the second doctor, and my other points. I messed up even acknowledging Capt's mention of the first doctor (sly misdirection, there
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He seemed to mention it separate from the ear infection, as far as I could tell, just as something else to note.
[QUOTE="I am nobody, post: 1594708, member: 34539"]You're not reading the sentence as intended.
“It’s probably from eating all that pizza and ice cream. It tastes good, doesn’t it? But it makes your body big and fat.”
"eating all that pizza and ice cream" is an assumption in this sentence, and given that, he think it's probably the cause. As you can tell from "it tastes good, doesn't it?", he is stating that she has a bad diet, not merely believing it probable based on her weight. Then he makes the whole debate irrelevant by just directly and conclusively blaming her assumed diet with "it makes your body big."
Compare to: "Unhealthy eating is a common cause. What's your diet like?" or "how have you been eating since your last visit?" This is also why a good doctor treating someone for lung cancer would check for environmental causes and not, without prior knowledge, just say "it's probably from all that chain smoking."[/QUOTE]
Good points, I agree. At least I proved I had a firm grasp on the words "assumption" and "probable," though now a hollow victory, haha. I still stand by what I initially said regarding the second doctor, and my other points. I messed up even acknowledging Capt's mention of the first doctor (sly misdirection, there
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[QUOTE="I REALLY HATE POKEMON!, post: 1594685, member: 18119"]^ Diet isn't easy to change for everyone for a ton of reasons but I hear you.[/QUOTE]
can you give me an example?[DOUBLEPOST=1462569141,1462568835][/DOUBLEPOST]also I have a hypothesis about the doctor, certainly he was condescending, but I think that's because it's 99% of the time a dietary along with exercise, I think the doctor sees this as common sense and believes since weight loss is something a majority of people deal with daily (even if they don't need to) that he can speak frankly on the subject. Not saying that's right or wrong and it was a little unprofessional just I think that's why he did it.
can you give me an example?[DOUBLEPOST=1462569141,1462568835][/DOUBLEPOST]also I have a hypothesis about the doctor, certainly he was condescending, but I think that's because it's 99% of the time a dietary along with exercise, I think the doctor sees this as common sense and believes since weight loss is something a majority of people deal with daily (even if they don't need to) that he can speak frankly on the subject. Not saying that's right or wrong and it was a little unprofessional just I think that's why he did it.
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Being in the medical field personally, I've learned that it doesn't really matter what you eat to help you lose weight. The golden solution to losing weight is doing cardio. Diet is only part of the solution. That's why people who do "eat right" may still struggle with seeing results. Most of the "Biggest Loser" winners have seen a slowing down of their metabolism over time and have gained all of their former weight back.
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people should strive to be healthy where possible sure but theres no reason to be dicks to other people when weight gain can be caused by a plethora of different things such as illness, medication and yeah over eating. i dont see whats so hard about that to get
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[QUOTE="Vgfian, post: 1594838, member: 32425"]can you give me an example?[/QUOTE]
One reason diet isn't easy to change is a lack of money. You can get ramen for mere cents, a burrito for a quarter. How much is an apple? A buck. Want an avocado? Seems to vary but generally somewhere between 50¢ and $1 (even at just half a buck you can get both a bag of chips and candy for a snack instead). Sorry, but there's no comparison. For a single dollar one can have a couple meals that taste good, are fast & easy to make, and most of all, cheap. Not to mention we're bombarded by advertisements for junk food, and it is specifically engineered to make us want more. Eating healthy is simply difficult.
One reason diet isn't easy to change is a lack of money. You can get ramen for mere cents, a burrito for a quarter. How much is an apple? A buck. Want an avocado? Seems to vary but generally somewhere between 50¢ and $1 (even at just half a buck you can get both a bag of chips and candy for a snack instead). Sorry, but there's no comparison. For a single dollar one can have a couple meals that taste good, are fast & easy to make, and most of all, cheap. Not to mention we're bombarded by advertisements for junk food, and it is specifically engineered to make us want more. Eating healthy is simply difficult.