If Our Sons Were Treated Like Our Daughters

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[QUOTE="Marilink, post: 1537815, member: 23215"]This is more what I'm saying. I'm sure you could re-tell the origin story so that Magneto is black. But...what purpose does that serve?[/QUOTE]
I am not sure, especially as the X-men were code for the civil rights movement already.

What would make sense is to actually write new characters of various ethnicity into the series, and make past racial whitewashing and such a focal point of the plot - if it did exist anymore. I mean, I don't necessarily think the X-men have a representation issue anymore. Storm and Bishop and Shard are all important characters. Psylock is an important character. Beast is probably the best example of their idea of acceptance. It's the wrong series to be criticising overall.

[ScottyMcGee]

I think in making Magneto black you question others what purpose that is serving, which is really no purpose other than to make him black, but that leads to making race purposeless, which ends up being the real purpose of making Magneto black, which makes one achieve a state of oneness with the Force, letting you free your mind of the Matrix, waking up from the dream within a dream, a purposelessnessception paradox that's resolved.

[Apiary Tazy]

^^^ Blame Loot.

Eh... X-men sort of fits within the same issue I have with a lot of comic books. They maintain status quo and go on for way too long without any changes. How many times have we seen the X-men fight the Sentinels? Deal with the coming of Apocalypse? Have fights with the Hellfire Club? A reboot doesn't help either since it usually just retells the best parts of the franchise without that troubling not popular stuff.

I'd rather not have a reboot and instead have a continuation without going back. Possibly towards an ending. So you can make a series that plays off of modern sensibilities like the civil rights movement. See where I'm getting with this?

[ScottyMcGee]

Didn't Stan Lee intend the subtle meaning of the X-Men be about gay rights? Something like that?

I kinda want Magneto to be gay just to rustle IRHP's jimmies.

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edit: nevermind

[CaptHayfever]

IIRC, Xavier & Magneto are based on MLK & Malcolm, & they were deliberately made white to trick racists into reading & agreeing with a civil rights theme, since said racists would've completely ignored or protested a comic starring black leads making the same points (& they still would ignore/protest it today; hell, one conservative critic even lambasted X-Men as being "gay agenda" just because Ian McKellan is gay).

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

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[QUOTE="Marilink, post: 1537785, member: 23215"]but...Magneto is Jewish. That's part of his backstory.

It really doesn't make sense to change his race from one minority to another.[/QUOTE]

what are you a racist

[QUOTE="Loot, post: 1537786, member: 21459"]how is jewish and black mutually exclusive[/QUOTE]

so many blacks in the holocaust

"Let’s start demanding a black Magneto, and see what happens." Really? Who doesn't see a problem with this sentence?[DOUBLEPOST=1434072539,1434071786]

[QUOTE="ScottyMcGee, post: 1537832, member: 31048"]Didn't Stan Lee intend the subtle meaning of the X-Men be about gay rights? Something like that?

I kinda want Magneto to be gay just to rustle IRHP's jimmies.[/QUOTE]

No, Stand Lee made X-Men to represent the civil rights movement or something.

and that would rustle the **** out of my jimmies

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[QUOTE="I REALLY HATE POKEMON!, post: 1537857, member: 18119"]so many blacks in the holocaust[/QUOTE]
In Mein Kampf, Hitler described children resulting from marriages to African occupation soldiers as a contamination of the white race "by Negro blood on the Rhine in the heart of Europe."[6] He thought that "Jews were responsible for bringing Negroes into the Rhineland, with the ultimate idea of bastardizing the white race which they hate and thus lowering its cultural and political level so that the Jew might dominate."[7] He also implied that this was a plot on the part of the French, since the population of France was being increasingly "negrified".[8]

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Haha, okay AI.

[Random User]

The fate of black people from 1933 to 1945 in Nazi Germany and in German-occupied territories ranged from isolation to persecution, sterilization, medical experimentation, incarceration, brutality, and murder. However, there was no systematic program for their elimination as there was for Jews and other groups.

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php ... d=10005479

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And before anyone wants to say so, no just because you didn't get sent to a camp for being black doesn't mean blacks weren't there for other reasons. They were more likely to just be murdered overall, however, because they were treated as subhumans by many.

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Yeah, blacks had it way harder than Jews during the Holocaust, remember those pictures of dead naked blacks but not Jews piled up?

[Random User]

Dude, no one said or even implied that. Lmao.

[Marilink]

Let's move on.

[Deepfake]

^ Ditto that. I was not posting on that subject as a matter of debate, it is not a matter any decent person should consider open to disagree about as a matter of record. It is also not a subject I'm going to allow anyone here to make flippant remarks about, and any similar action will result in repercussions.

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Repercussions are always fun.

Anyway, ML's right. Nothing constructive was happening.

[Kil'jaeden]

Going away from Nazis and back to the original premise, the article is suggesting a scenario where gender roles in raising a child and in society are reversed. The problem with this assumption is one I always bring up. Many people, especially modern feminists, see these gender differences as imposed by society and the media, and nothing else. And going back into the past, they will say that the patriarchy imposed it all. I see this as reversed. I think they go back to our basic nature and get impressed onto our various societies and cultures over and over again.

I will grant that the more stratified a society becomes through being civilized, gender roles become more pronounced as people worry more and more about formalities and dress. And of course, they worry about their lineages and who will inherit what, something that very primitive people don't have to worry so much about.

As for this basic idea referenced in the article: that women have to sit around and be pretty, this role generally comes with a stratified society and for upper class women. Lower classes have always had less clearly defined gender roles because men and women were both required to run the household and vilage just to keep it together amd fed. But even in the most primitive societies gender roles are still there in an informal way. Who imposed these roles on those primitive people?

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[QUOTE="Tazy Ten, post: 1537809, member: 19345"]

Also, Loot step up your game. I can post images, make posts longer than three sentences, and actually treat people with respect at the same time.
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whatever you say mr president!!!!!!!