overrated games

[emporornapoleon]

what games did you never enjoy that much everybody else got into besides you?

contra III for me. never felt much playing it, i always thought it was way too hard and i don't think i ever got past the first level

[Booyakasha]

I got bored of 'Metal Gear Solid' like twenty minutes in. Maybe if I tried it again now it'd be a different story.

[SkyDragon]

I always felt like super mario 64 and sunshine were overrated, other 3d platformers like banjo, dk 64, conker's bfd felt better. In terms of mechanics/tech the mario games were good, but I felt they were lacking in story, atmosphere, and music. Speaking of 3d platformers, spyro felt overrated, obviously it had a lot of fans, but it feels like those people never played a rare 3d platformer (or even something like alice madness returns) and only owned a psx.

[I REALLY HATE POKEMON!]

Animal Crossing comes to mind. Even as a fan of the GameCube it stands out as one the popular games for it I'm not really interested in.

I got bored of 'Metal Gear Solid' like twenty minutes in. Maybe if I tried it again now it'd be a different story.

The GameCube remake, Twin Snakes, is a lot easier to get into and faster paced, if you want to try that. I prefer it, but it's sort of divisive among fans.

I always felt like super mario 64 and sunshine were overrated, other 3d platformers like banjo, dk 64, conker's bfd felt better. In terms of mechanics/tech the mario games were good, but I felt they were lacking in story, atmosphere, and music. Speaking of 3d platformers, spyro felt overrated, obviously it had a lot of fans, but it feels like those people never played a rare 3d platformer (or even something like alice madness returns) and only owned a psx.

Conker is arguably better than SM64 but I think Sunshine is actually a bit underrated, it's often considered the black sheep of the Mario games. I absolutely agree about Spyro, and Crash is also overrated. They were competent and filled the gap in Nintendo-esque games but they were pretty obviously inferior.

What was just as good as most Nintendo platformers is Ape Escape though that's an amazing game right there.

[SkyDragon]

Never played Ape Escape. What sets it apart from other 3d platformers?

[I REALLY HATE POKEMON!]

Never played Ape Escape. What sets it apart from other 3d platformers?

It's a collectathon style 3D platformer, but where instead of finding idle objects like Stars you catch monkeys who each behave differently. It makes the collecting aspect more dynamic and interesting. Also, how you collect them is more involved than just running up and touching them like a Star usually, with environmental puzzles and various items you need to use to subdue or reach them.

I highly suggest it if you're into the genre at all, it's super unique.

[SkyDragon]

Yeah, I'd give it a shot, I always thought 3d platformer was an under rated genre compared to 2d platformers. Ironic, since I gave examples of over rated games within the under rated genre.

More of action adventure than platformer, but I also thought castlevania 64 was under rated. People complained about jumps being hard while micromanaging the camera, but aren't 2d platformers all about hard jumps?

[I REALLY HATE POKEMON!]

Yeah, I'd give it a shot, I always thought 3d platformer was an under rated genre compared to 2d platformers. Ironic, since I gave examples of over rated games within the under rated genre.

More of action adventure than platformer, but I also thought castlevania 64 was under rated. People complained about jumps being hard while micromanaging the camera, but aren't 2d platformers all about hard jumps?

Yeah, it's worth a shot at least. There's a PSP remake considered inferior, but it's still good too if that's the only way you can play it for whatever reason. I'd say 3D platformers are underrated nowadays, but I think the opposite was the case during their heyday from the 5th-6th gens.

I never played Castlevania 64 yet, but a jump being hard because of a finicky camera system is different than a clearly presented challenge that's difficult by design, like with tricky course design and enemy placement. I think the game looks fine, personally; clunky and archaic cameras don't bother me much if they're serviceable.

[SkyDragon]

Is the 2nd Ape Escape better than the 1st? I heard Billy Hatcher and the Giant Egg is pretty similar.

I don't think the camera is too bad in Castlevania 64, because there's an ability to center it behind you like in the 3d zeldas. There's fixed camera rooms where you can't do it, but typically they aren't too bad, because you can always jump in the same direction from the same analog stick angle.

[I REALLY HATE POKEMON!]

I've actually never played AE2, but the core series is pretty well liked overall and fans have been wanting a new entry for a long time, but Sony just isn't the same company it once was, sadly. I can see the Billy Hatcher comparisons, mostly for the aesthetic. That was a good game too, underrated but flawed, it was pretty clunky at times but very charming and cute.

Fixed cameras are actually pretty good usually, imo. I get why people typically dislike them, but if done well they remove the necessity of babysitting the camera constantly which is annoying in action games even with good cameras imo.

[SkyDragon]

I'm just speculating here, but possibly it's harder for people to switch between zelda-like mode and fixed camera mode than to have 1 consistent camera system. The only time I can think of when zelda had fixed camera with enemies in the area is re-deads in adult link hyrule castle town, but there's probably other examples, I just can't remember them. You didn't have to jump over pits in that area either.

[Booyakasha]

The GameCube remake, Twin Snakes, is a lot easier to get into and faster paced, if you want to try that. I prefer it, but it's sort of divisive among fans.

I don't know------------I didn't really like 'Snake Eater' or 'Hitman', either. I could maybe just say I don't like sneaking around, except I played the everlovin out of the first three Assassin's Creed games. 'Mark of Kri', too. Hmmm.

[I REALLY HATE POKEMON!]

The GameCube remake, Twin Snakes, is a lot easier to get into and faster paced, if you want to try that. I prefer it, but it's sort of divisive among fans.

I don't know------------I didn't really like 'Snake Eater' or 'Hitman', either. I could maybe just say I don't like sneaking around, except I played the everlovin out of the first three Assassin's Creed games. Hmmm.

I am not super into stealth either, usually. I didn't care for Snake Eater much myself despite it being a fan favorite (can't see why), it's okay, but the only great MGS are the first 2 (especially MGS2). Hitman is pretty middle of the road imo.

I think stealth is at its worst when it's shoehorned in, like in OoT or The Last of Us.

[Booyakasha]

'Mark of Kri' was designed around sneaking. Good old Rau------------built like a wrecking machine, but he could step softly, all right.

Game had a rad combat system, but the measure of a good player was how little time you spent fighting instead of stealing up on someone unawares and chopping their everything off. Check out some gameplay footage some time--------------Rau killed the hell out of people, man.

(EDIT: I'm right with you about stealth sections being crowbarred in, though. Some games just aren't made for it---------------like, if you meet someone who likes sneaking in GTA or Saints Row, snap a picture, because that's a flippin unicorn.

[Shane]

I only played Contra very sparingly. Not a type of game I'm very interested in.

Never played MGS. I did play the original NES game. I thought it was okay for what it was.

I felt Rare had the better lineup on the N64. It was a really lackluster system, but they helped fill in the gaps and sort of cover that up.

[emporornapoleon]

Yeah, I'd give it a shot, I always thought 3d platformer was an under rated genre compared to 2d platformers. Ironic, since I gave examples of over rated games within the under rated genre.

More of action adventure than platformer, but I also thought castlevania 64 was under rated. People complained about jumps being hard while micromanaging the camera, but aren't 2d platformers all about hard jumps?

Yeah, it's worth a shot at least. There's a PSP remake considered inferior, but it's still good too if that's the only way you can play it for whatever reason. I'd say 3D platformers are underrated nowadays, but I think the opposite was the case during their heyday from the 5th-6th gens.

I never played Castlevania 64 yet, but a jump being hard because of a finicky camera system is different than a clearly presented challenge that's difficult by design, like with tricky course design and enemy placement. I think the game looks fine, personally; clunky and archaic cameras don't bother me much if they're serviceable.

castlevania 64 is insanely hard, but for all the wrong reasons

the camera is terrible and even at the time i didnt enjoy playing it

has super exact and punishing platforming too

[SkyDragon]

Yeah, I'd give it a shot, I always thought 3d platformer was an under rated genre compared to 2d platformers. Ironic, since I gave examples of over rated games within the under rated genre.

More of action adventure than platformer, but I also thought castlevania 64 was under rated. People complained about jumps being hard while micromanaging the camera, but aren't 2d platformers all about hard jumps?

Yeah, it's worth a shot at least. There's a PSP remake considered inferior, but it's still good too if that's the only way you can play it for whatever reason. I'd say 3D platformers are underrated nowadays, but I think the opposite was the case during their heyday from the 5th-6th gens.

I never played Castlevania 64 yet, but a jump being hard because of a finicky camera system is different than a clearly presented challenge that's difficult by design, like with tricky course design and enemy placement. I think the game looks fine, personally; clunky and archaic cameras don't bother me much if they're serviceable.

castlevania 64 is insanely hard, but for all the wrong reasons

the camera is terrible and even at the time i didnt enjoy playing it

has super exact and punishing platforming too

I think music, atmosphere, and story are worth it. I guess I'm a bit of a masochist with games though. Legacy of Darkness made the camera a bit easier, ever try it?