Zelda Mafia Round 2 Night One (IMPORTANT, REPLACEMENT NEEDED!)

[Apollo the Just]

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Oh, and Ian, you assume people will believe you when you role claim... but I don't think I will. And I don't think too many others here will, either.

Because, based off of all the facts I and others have put together, ROLE CLAIMING DOESN'T END UP WELL. If you know this, but role claim anyway, that's because you don't fear your potential enemy- the MAFIA.

Not to mention that if someone is gonna role claim even knowing that they end up badly, it's not something too many people will trust-- few, if any, people will believe you.

[Daos]

Oh and Mikhail, you forget that your PM's last time probably said the same thing. I don't know if they did or not but it's an assumption.

[Apollo the Just]

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Did anyone notice SK was the only one NOT to withdraw his vote on Blake?

Taking the evidence Blake found and adding it to this... I say that this is something to note as well, if we end up in a torn vote at the end of the day.

Just thought it was worth mentioning.

[Saria Dragon of the Rain Wilds]

You know, if someone gets killed, yes, everyone finds out their role. But that doesn't make any difference, since you're already dead. If you're a Hero, the Mafia has started winning. If you're a Hero, role claiming before you die, then all you are doing is helping the Mafia. If you're a regular Townie and role claiming before you die, then you're making yourself one less person the Mafia have to kill as a matter of urgency.

[I am nobody]

CL: If I make it, I will send an item to someone tonight. Only proof I can give.


Fnord: Why would I take offense of that? Everything I did last game was pretty random excpet for CL and Blake.

[Microphone_Kirby]

I was just watching for awhile.

I'll admit this: Blake's big post sounds reasonable enough, even though he thinks I'm Mafia.

Retract Vote and Fos: Blake

I'm somewhat not sure who to vote for, though.

[Daos]

Even saying you will send someone an item sounds familiar.

[I am nobody]

Daos: Crav posted all PMs from the game in the last topic. If you want to check I think it's page 35 or so.

[Mikhail Gorbachev]

Oh and Mikhail, you forget that your PM's last time probably said the same thing. I don't know if they did or not but it's an assumption.

They didn't.
Last time said I win once all mafia members were slain.
This time said I win once all evil is destroyed.
No one could possibly just guess the phrase exactly. He had to have gotten the PM.

[Apollo the Just]

@SK... I love how you waited for suspicion to be thrown on you before changing your vote.

CL: If I make it, I will send an item to someone tonight. Only proof I can give.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Wy used that very same cover...

[I am nobody]

CL: If you don't want that(I will send the item anyway) I have to either

1. Hope everyone believes Fnord

2. Role Claim.


For know I'm going with 1.

*now

[Daos]

I checked the old topic. Mikhail does make a valid point.

[ZeldaGirl]

...you guys are acting like complete ****ing kulaks.
Are you still willing to believe ian a mafia in light of this post? He knew something that no one could possibly know if they weren't a townie.
IMO, ian's just being ian, and being just as erratic and irrational as he was last game. (no offense)

I'll admit, I had forgotten about that. Though, it would have been easier if ian had actually USED that to defend himself. >_>

I swear to god, ian, how you survived last round with all your n00bish mistakes is BEYOND ME.

Withdraw vote: ian.

I was the one who pointed out ian had to have gotten the PM. I think he's just being idiotic right now, guys.
SK:
Retracting your vote the instant CL points out you've left it in tact? I dun think so, buddy. You're on my list.

[Apollo the Just]

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Well, about the PM thingie...

I was independent last time, so I couldn't really tell you... but since Mikhail stated that, and was townie last time, and stated the exact words on MY pm as well (destroyed, etc.) I am inclined to believe that... Ian's not totally off the hook, but for now,

Vote: SK

He, alongside Wy and Rayman, has been very suspicious. That whole not-changing-vote-until-he-was-suspected was a HUGE red flag to me.

Unless something big happens, like Blake's alibi and Ian's pm thing, I will vote for you.

[Daos]

Double Post: So, then Ian, even with us saying the contrary, why are you so set on HotD role claiming?

Edit: Oh, right.

Withdrawl Vote: Ian

[ZeldaGirl]

@SK... I love how you waited for suspicion to be thrown on you before changing your vote.



Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Wy used that very same cover...

I will say this: due to the fact that MM and OoT are different games, it is QUITE possible that there is MORE items to send this round. Just saying, it's very well possible ian does have an item. After all, Wy WAS telling the truth about actually HAVING it.

[Daos]

I will still vote though, I will go to who I find the MOST suspicious at the moment.

Vote: Wyborn

[Heroine of the Dragon]

You used your head and experience with all of us to pick out who was acting oddly. You viewed everyone's posts carefully and were able to pick out the mafia... so, if that's your excuse not to lynch us now, WHY DIDN'T YOU DO THAT THIS TIME???

Also, last game you didn't really speak out your mind UNTIL you and ZG formed a formidable alliance. This time, you are very bold... is this because you have an alliance with OTHER MAFIA MEMBERS???

-so right now, I'm still suspicious of Hottie, but also of the three Blake mentioned... however, since there are so many players this round, is it not possible ALL or MOST of them are mafia?? I'm sticking to my vote until something convinces me otherwise.


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Oh, and in case you're wondering, I'm on right now because the choir orchestra practice thing doesn't start until 7...

Wrong about me not speaking my mind before the alliance. I am the ONE who stood up to Daos. ON MY OWN to begin with. I'm the one who saw that what Daos was doing was so out-of-character. And it was AFTER I fought tooth and nail to get the Townies to side with me against Daos that ZG sent me the Ocarina.

As for why I'm not doing anything now... let me ask you WHY I should play like you want me to? I don't have to act upon anything on Day One. I'm ALLOWED to sit back and watch and see what everyone is doing and gather my "evidence"... just like I did last game.

You are making up stuff to convince yourself of my guilt so you don't have to think for yourself.

[Apollo the Just]

@ZG: I know, I was just saying that it sounded familiar.

At any rate, I'm not as suspicious of Ian now that Fnord reminded us of the major reason we believe him to be innocent... I am inclined to believe him. Now then.

SK... answers, please. As you saw, Blake's post and Fnord's defending Ian paid off... they had alibis. If you do, you may want to state it... I'm very suspicious right now.

Wrong about me not speaking my mind before the alliance. I am the ONE who stood up to Daos. ON MY OWN to begin with. I'm the one who saw that what Daos was doing was so out-of-character. And it was AFTER I fought tooth and nail to get the Townies to side with me against Daos that ZG sent me the Ocarina.

As for why I'm not doing anything now... let me ask you WHY I should play like you want me to? I don't have to act upon anything on Day One. I'm ALLOWED to sit back and watch and see what everyone is doing and gather my "evidence"... just like I did last game.

You are making up stuff to convince yourself of my guilt so you don't have to think for yourself.

Oh, I'm sorry. I just noticed that the first few days you were watching us, then after awhile you stood up. I thought that that occured when ZG started her alliance with you...

I'm sorry; I really am. I thought that you waited to have an alliance before speaking out.

I no longer have a reason to suspect you.

Withdraw/Retract/Get rid of FoS: Hottie

Call it suspicious if you will; but for some reason I thought you only spoke out once partnered. Forgive me for my ext-REMELY foolish mistake.

[Microphone_Kirby]

SK... answers, please. As you saw, Blake's post and Fnord's defending Ian paid off... they had alibis. If you do, you may want to state it... I'm very suspicious right now.

I dont have any alibis. I'm only listening to everyone.