Zelda Mafia Round 2 Night One (IMPORTANT, REPLACEMENT NEEDED!)

[Heroine of the Dragon]

OoC: RP Post from LA and a very light-headed faerie who needs sleep. The Faerie has just lost a day... while the greetings at LA were better than nice, the sleep will be very welcome.

I'm so tired, that I actually have no idea what roles were "played" and if I double up... meh. Sue my brain cells for being exhausted.


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The Bank Manager looked blankly around and wondered what the heck was happening in his town. A murder? Extortion? O_O What if the bank were in danger? NO!! He could not allow that to happen.

Upon listening to all that was discussed, the Manager stood and cleared his throat.

"I'm not sure about all this, but WHAT IF the "slasher" was in fact part of the Mafia, yet "psycho" and makes independent kills to their agreed ones? (I'm making a huge assumption from the other game I played, on the account that Mafia make agreements upon who to negate!!) ...O_o......... OHMY!!! WE'RE ALL IN DANGER!!! I am too young (and rich) to die just yet.

I cannot help but mistrust each and every one of you. NONE of you have done anything redeeming to make you noteworthy enough to be considered trustworthy. And especially, in light of how successful my bank has been recently.

I, too, await an answer from those that Wy has questioned. It will be interesting.

I shall be watching you all very carefully and considering all that has been said and the few actions that have been played so early this Day.

Now. I need some moments to ponder over the few things I "know"".

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OoC: SLEEP WILL CLEAR MY BRAIN CELLS AND I SERIOUSLY NEED THAT. THANKS Crav, for saving me a position!! I'll make time every day to play!!

[Saria Dragon of the Rain Wilds]

Touching on a few minor points before I get my much-needed sleep...

I'm not changing my invisibility for this silly game, kthx anyways, Wy

The whole Eastmost Peninsula thinger? I know for a fact that Crav really really likes that quote (along with AI and now myself, thanks to hanging around the both of them :P ), so I don't know how much credibility we should lend it as an actual clue, you know? But we can file it away and see if it's of any use to us later. It might mean the difference between a death of a Townie or our survival.

Wyborn, even if it's in your nature to get all... vocal, it's still hard to push the fact that you were a very good Mafia last game because of it. It's not so easy to trust you not that I can trust anyone yet, but you know what I mean). I'm just hoping you're using your Power of Words! for the forces of good this time, otherwise me might find ourselves in a tight spot o__o

Chunky, come out and talk to us. We know you're crazily suspicious of everyone, but unless you can explain yourself out of being a suspect yourself, you might only further a belief of your involvement in the Dark Side.

A thought (though maybe only born because I'm exhausted): CL, that's a lot of almost overly enthusiastic theories. Are you drawing attention to ideas, to hide yourself?

Now, to bed with me. *blows some goodnight kisses to everyone* Hurrah!!.. *sleep*

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Goodness, I am tired. Fixing an error:

"...it's still hard to push from my mind the fact that you were a very good Mafia last game because of it."

Also, please fill in any and all missing commas. ;__;

I am Error.

[I am nobody]

(Active.)

( Note: I'm typing via Wii right now, so this will be short.)

Chunky, why have you not answered Wy yet?

Gearz: Why are you not here yet?

[Rayman FREAK]

Personally, I'm starting to favor a lynching over an abstain. Several good points have been made regarding the issue since my last major post.

If we don't start hearing some defenses from people who have been questioned soon, I may begin FoSing during this real time day. It's been a particularly long time since we've heard from Chunky and Blake, which is worrying me.

I will also Echo SD's concerns about CuccoLady. Our sidetracked conversation continued longer than it needed to (suggested by several people's reiterations that the information is probably not useful right now). Perhaps she is trying to distract us.

Still not pointing fingers yet, but I'm getting wary.

[ZeldaGirl]

^Objectively, CL didn't get to play much last time. It's possible she's just enthusiastic. Plus, if you look at her posts in the MM thread, you'll find she just really likes the game. I'm not reading too much into it now, since I will admit, it was a fun form of entertainment for me whilst we were waiting for more posts. But whatever. *shrugs*

Though, I will reiterate - you'll never know what can be useful. I theorized at one point that Ace's murderer was Volvagia. Later, Wy said things that were incriminating, that if we had consciously realized at the time, tied him directly TO Volvagia. So, some things I think are worth trying to figure out.

[Rayman FREAK]

I agree that she's definitely enthusiastic, and I why she brought up her theories. I think they have merit, and they could very well be important later. My only concern is that she repeatedly came back to it after many people had said we should file away the information for now. I believe many of us would agree that for today (day 1), we have more important things to discuss, like our observations of posting behavior, inactivity, and game strategies. I'm simply wary of any prolonged discussions that stray from these topics while we're still in day 1.

I couldn't say whether or not it's indicative of her affiliation, but in order for any headway to be made in approaching the final vote, we must take everything into account that catches our attention.

DOUBLE POST: "...I understand why she brought up her theories."

[Daos]

Okay, sorry for the long time in between postings, I work early in the morning (5:30 kind of early) so I have trouble staying up as late during the weekdays.

We know this to be false from the last game, if not in effect then in principle: it is in the Mafia's favor for there to never be a hanging at all! I proved this principle myself! Hanging is the surest way to kill Mafia because it is meted out according to the best reasoning made by any particular person, reasoning good enough to convince everyone else. Worse yet, we know that a united front from the Mafia can't be a positive indicator of whether or not they're Mafia, simply because you said that! All of this adds up, Daos, and the sum is black and dire!"

Right, but the mafia will also try to get someone lynched during the day because it doubles their victory. Although I fail to see how I have done anything suspicious. I pointed you out because you seemed to know about the slasher role, I did not realize before TML pointed me towards the Wiki page that there was such a thing in other games of mafia. So it SEEMED like you knew something we didn't (you after all slipped up before in the last game with the whole Fear Gaze thing). I retracted my FoS though after reading through all the roles of mafia. Right now everyone seems suspicious but I will reserve any judgments for later.

Here is something to think about when it comes to the slasher though people. Assuming the slasher can also make night kills that means two of us will die every night. That could lower our number very quickly. Our best chance for survival in the first few days is to find this slasher character quickly. That said I am most suspicious towards those who have hardly posted in this topic as the slasher would have the most to benefit from keeping low.

[ZeldaGirl]

Oh Simmle, wherefore art thou?...

[The Missing Link]

That said I am most suspicious towards those who have hardly posted in this topic as the slasher would have the most to benefit from keeping low.

There's a small difference between not posting frequently (or at all) and keeping a low profile though. It's a nuanced one, I will admit.

However, I did read through segments of Round One; Wyborn was very vocal even in the opening despite being Mafia. FoSes were even on him fairly fast as well. However, he was able to skirt that despite being in the forefront. Just because someone isn't laying low doesn't preclude that person from being Mafia, Slasher, Hero, or anyone.

[Microphone_Kirby]

I'm kinda wondering where Swordmaster Link is too.

I'm getting suspicious of him the same way i_a_n is suspicious of Gearz...

[ZeldaGirl]

^Well, if I can recall, many of the mafia members were very vocal early on. So, maybe it's possible that this time, the new mafia has learned and changed strategy.



...darn, I'm doing an awful job of following my own advice and looking at everything as a brand new game. :(




I'm not going to become too concerned with lack of activity until later, though, say around tomorrow or Thursday. I mean, I for one have finals I *should* be studying for (...but I'm not, oh dear ). So, let's wait it out a little while longer. I agree with Daos in terms of finding the slasher first - eliminating him/her will give us greater protection.


Something I was thinking about... CL was independent the last game, but she had the option of joining the mafia provided that she followed a few rules. Do you think it's possible that the same applies here, too? That way, if the slasher joins the mafia, not only do they get two kills a night, but it increases the slasher's chances of winning (provided it's true he can only win if he's the last person alive... a difficult feat, to kill everyone).

Any thoughts?

[Apollo the Just]

Well, I'm not gonna just sit here while everyone else defends me- allow me to answer the question.

I have been posting these theories... because, as many have said, I am very happy to be able to play again. I want to get the most of my time here, especially since, as I've mentioned, I don't think any of us will live long.

Anyway, as I said, I was rereading early posts while waiting for others to post. I was doing this because I remembered how Hottie and ZG got so many mafia members by reading closely for odd behaviours. I decided that they seemed to be doing fine by following this method, so decided to try it out.

When I read Crav's post again and thought about it, I was so glad to have an idea (which, after this discussion, I'm pretty sure is incorrect...) that I wanted to share it. After all, as you've seen, I am now a huge supporter of independent thinking and logical methods... I figured that maybe if I got everyone's imput on this, we could maybe learn more about this scary phenomenon... I'm so enthusiastic about this because
A) it's nice to post again
B) I thought it would come in handy
C) I wanted imput
D) I was happy to be able to figure something out on my own....

...hope that's a sufficient answer for you. Let me know if you'd like more detail, I'll be glad to hand t over.

[Daos]

The idea that the slasher has to kill everyone else does sound a bit difficult. I wonder if they have another winning ability we are unaware of. Perhaps they can join the mafia as ZG said giving the new mafia team the ability to make two kills in their favor.

Gearz has not posted at all, there is even a good chance he has not read his PM yet so he is out of the clear (for now) as TML said there is a difference between keeping a low profile and not posting at all.

[Marilink]

I'm pretty sure SML is just "In College."

I'm not FoSing right now, or anything, I just want to ask Wy this question:

How did you know of this Slasher character? I mean, you did give a pretty in-depth description of him.

[ZeldaGirl]

^Doesn't it, though. I mean, 1 person against 20? And they only win under the condition that everyone else dies? I mean, yes, they'll have help from the mafia, but eventually, the mafia would have the ability to get them, too. So, to me, it seems possible that he would have another option - like CL last game, he/she would have to just through hoops to BECOME a mafia, then they get two kills a night and the slasher will win with them (it makes winning for him/her that much easier).

Crav, do you want to start looking for someone to replace Gearz?

ML, I thought we covered that. TML showed us the wiki link.

[Apollo the Just]

DOUBLE POST: ZG, I see what you're getting at... that is very possible. However, situations are slightly different here..


In the last game, I was given the option of choosing either side. Being a NOOB, I hadn't any idea how much easier life would've been if I'd chosen townie.... but still, I didn't do night kills or anything, I just had a choice.

In this game, the slasher is a killer. In my opinion, it doesn't seem likely that they'd have the option of joining another force... because, they're killers. Thusly, they probably wouldn't have the option to be a townie. So, pretty much, they'd be given the option of independent or mafia...

That IS possible; there are ups and downs to both working alone AND working alongside the mafia.

Or, maybe, as has been mentioned earlier... the slasher IS a part of the mafia, just also works alone.

...but the Times said the slasher was independant of mafia, so I don't think that's likely.


Either they had the option of independent or mafia, or they're just independent. That's what I think, anyway...

[ZeldaGirl]

Though, rereading the Wiki, it never does specifically how the slasher "wins"... unless I'm missing that.... hm...

[Microphone_Kirby]

My thoughts:
If the Slasher CAN change from Independent to Mafia, then (s)he can change into Townie too. Don't forget, Ingo (CuccoLady's Role Last Mafia) could've turned into a Townie too.

Don't know exactly WHY the slasher would turn townie, but those are my thoughts.

Wow. This topic goes fast...

[Daos]

However, someone that has played the game before may be able to understand better how some roles work.

[ZeldaGirl]

^Well, actually, what CL said makes sense too. The slasher can choose between independent/being part of the group.

That is provided I'm even slightly correct. Who knows.

Reposting this, just so it doesn't get lost...

Though, rereading the Wiki, it never does specifically how the slasher "wins"... unless I'm missing that.... hm...