You Can Prevent Dog Bites

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You Can Prevent Dog Bites

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Post by Saria Dragon of the Rain Wilds » Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:40 am

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Didn’t see that bite coming? Look a little harder
http://dogtime.com/advocacy-column-dog- ... signs.html
Being a professional in the world of animals, my social media feeds are generally chock-full of doggy photos, kitty memes, and adorable pet videos. But recently, there has been a disturbing trend among these videos and the longer it goes on, the more dangerous the situation becomes. I’m talking about the videos where a baby, toddler, or child is interacting with a dog in an unsafe manner and, in spite of the clear inappropriateness of the situation, and the dogs many clear demonstrations of stress, an off-camera adult is holding the camera and chuckling.

Perhaps equally disturbing are the comments below each video, such as “No way a yellow Labbie would hurt anyone” or “People, not all dogs have food aggression,” and “Baby is in no harm.” Really? No harm?

Dogs give warning signs nearly every single time before biting someone. No matter what breed, or how well trained or socialized, it is incredibly rare for a dog to bite someone actually out of the blue. But, if you are not watching for the signs, you are not listening to what your dog is so desperately trying to tell you, before he resorts to his last option — abite.

In “Battle of the Cookie! Pug vs. Baby,” we have nearly two minutes of giggling, oblivious parents, one baby in danger and a Pug who has no way of understanding why this small, hairless creature is not heeding his warnings. The pug starts off with a stress yawn, following that with a wide “whale eye,” pawing, a lip curl, hackles up, lunges, and a growl. By my count, this dog gives fifteen warnings in less than two minutes. The baby, understandably, heeds none of them. The parents, disturbingly, find each warning entertaining.

Another that gives me the creepy crawlies is “Rexy Baby Rides the Dog” where we have a baby, obviously, riding a Boxer, which is a problem in itself. The baby pulls the dogs ears, and lips, while dad is behind the camera laughing. The dog, Chili, licks her lips (dog language for, “please stop, I am uncomfortable”), turns away and averts her gaze repeatedly.

A wagging tail is not always a sign for happiness, and while there is no doubt that both of these dogs are remarkably patient with the children in the videos, there is also no doubt that this same scenario is played out in the majority of more than 2 million cases of children being bitten by dogs in the U.S. every year. After a dog seriously bites a child, it is often either euthanized, or brought to a shelter where it will be labeled “aggressive with children,” even if the dog was begging, and pleading for your intervention before the bite occurred. Regardless of breed, a dog with a bite history can be a tremendous challenge to place in a home, and is often still put down.

Please do not assume the breed of dog guarantees a certain set of behaviors in these situations. Dogs of all breeds have a limit and it just isn’t fair to expect them to ignore the boundaries that they are trying to set for little ones in our homes.

When a dog bites a child in their home we often hear, “no one ever saw it coming.” Unfortunately, in many of these cases, a professional could see it a mile away if they were given the chance.

We leash our pets in traffic. We vaccinate them against disease. Can’t we keep our most vulnerable family members — pets and babies — safe by learning the signs to protect them both? Check with a local professional trainer and learn how to read the signs. Because until we learn to speak ‘dog,’ we have to learn a common language of love.

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Post by I REALLY HATE POKEMON! » Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:16 am

The article is too lenient on dogs. As far as I'm concerned, if a dog bites its owners under any circumstances it's a crap dog. Most of the ones I had wouldn't bite us even if we beat it, let alone annoyed it. There was one who was a dick but we didn't like him as much because of it; he'd growl over almost anything.

Dogs are like people in that there's different personalities. Some just suck.

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Post by United Nations » Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:19 am

^Do you really think that? :( You make me really sad.

Yes, dogs have personalities but usually anxiety or fear is caused by owners or circumstance.

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Post by I REALLY HATE POKEMON! » Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:21 am

^ Think what? That growling, biting dogs are dicks? I had enough dogs to know some are ******* you feed and others are nigh family.

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Post by ScottyMcGee » Wed Apr 22, 2015 11:22 am

I had two dogs and got bit by both of them when I was very little, like 5 and 6. These incidents don't deter me from loving dogs because I knew I was being a stupid little brat instigating them. The first incident was when I wanted my dog to eat a bug, so I kept bothering him putting the bug in his face and he bit my hand (I have scars, including one where my middle finger was almost cut off). The second incident was when my other dog was sleeping and I kept poking and prodding him. He woke with a yelp and bit at my face. I have some small scars there too.
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Post by DarkZero » Wed Apr 22, 2015 3:01 pm

[QUOTE="I REALLY HATE POKEMON!, post: 1530261, member: 18119"]As far as I'm concerned, if a dog bites its owners under any circumstances it's a crap dog.[/QUOTE]
Under any circumstances? There is nothing an owner could do to a dog that would justify the dog having to defend itself?
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Post by Apiary Tazy » Wed Apr 22, 2015 4:41 pm

It's entirely possible that my dog is always afraid. Not sure how I feel about that.

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Post by I REALLY HATE POKEMON! » Wed Apr 22, 2015 9:17 pm

[QUOTE="DarkZero, post: 1530625, member: 34654"]Under any circumstances? There is nothing an owner could do to a dog that would justify the dog having to defend itself?[/QUOTE]

Any normal circumstances, yes. Like those dogs on Dog Whisperer that bite when pet or fed or growl when you go near them. Curbstomp those ones.

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Post by United Nations » Wed Apr 22, 2015 9:46 pm

^do you even watch Dog Whisperer? Those dogs have high anxiety and stress or they're afraid. Totally fixable with the correct care and love. The guy on that show doesn't just help train those dogs, but he also trains their humans to treat the dog right and as alpha males. Saying dogs that bite "are crap" is just ignorant.

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Post by I REALLY HATE POKEMON! » Wed Apr 22, 2015 9:52 pm

^ Anxiety is no excuse to bite. Fear even less so. Animals aren't as stupid as people think, they aren't taking over the earth, but they know we're no threat after a while. If they bite after you've had them and treated them well a while I wouldn't want to fix them.

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Post by United Nations » Wed Apr 22, 2015 9:58 pm

[QUOTE="I REALLY HATE POKEMON!, post: 1530685, member: 18119"]^ Anxiety is no excuse to bite. Fear even less so. Animals aren't as stupid as people think, they aren't taking over the earth, but they know we're no threat after a while. If they bite after you've had them and treated them well a while I wouldn't want to fix them.[/QUOTE]
The point is if they're biting, that means you are not treating them well. It means you are treating the animal poorly enough that your mere presence is triggering a flight or fight response. There may be fringe cases in which a dog is simply hyper aggressive, but assuming that is the case for every dog that has bitten someone for any reason is a massive logical jump/error to take.

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Post by I REALLY HATE POKEMON! » Wed Apr 22, 2015 10:01 pm

^ In one episode a family seemed to treat the dog as well as one could yet it would bite for anything. Whisperer dude kinda fixed it by hold the leash a certain way and making sounds, I guess to teach it its place, but that's stupid. I'm not competing with a dog for alpha status.

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Post by DarkZero » Wed Apr 22, 2015 10:07 pm

[QUOTE="I REALLY HATE POKEMON!, post: 1530657, member: 18119"]Any normal circumstances, yes. Like those dogs on Dog Whisperer that bite when pet or fed or growl when you go near them. Curbstomp those ones.[/QUOTE]
You didn't say any normal circumstances (whatever that would entail anyway). You just said any circumstances. I would take that to mean that you believe that you can abuse a dog in any way you wanted but as soon as it bites back, the dog's in the wrong. How else would one interpret that?

And those dogs most likely have deep-seated trust issues with humans. People are dicks to dogs on a regular basis, it's only to be expected that dogs wouldn't care for that.
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Post by SmackDownPete » Wed Apr 22, 2015 10:48 pm

I've found unless that dog has been through some seriously traumatic stuff it is difficult to get bitten. I have been bitten by my dog once and it was entirely my fault. I couldn't control my anger and when I went to discipline him he bit me. It wasn't an aggressive bite, I was literally so angry he was afraid I would hurt him so he reacted accordingly. I still regret scaring my dog that badly to this day and use that incident as a reminder to better control my anger.

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Post by United Nations » Wed Apr 22, 2015 10:49 pm

[QUOTE="I REALLY HATE POKEMON!, post: 1530692, member: 18119"]^ In one episode a family seemed to treat the dog as well as one could yet it would bite for anything. Whisperer dude kinda fixed it by hold the leash a certain way and making sounds, I guess to teach it its place, but that's stupid. I'm not competing with a dog for alpha status.[/QUOTE]
All dogs are different and some require more care and more work. I mean, it's not like a family is going to go on TV and say they're abusive to their dog. They very well could be, you don't know. Anyway, competing with dogs for alpha status is kind of the point and if you can't handle it, maybe you're not ready for a dog.

Anyway, looks like I'm not getting anywhere. Dogs respond to humans. If human is doing something wrong, dogs respond. Dogs take work. They take care. If you don't see that, fine. I'm out. Your view is so sad and the reason there are so many good doggies in the pound.

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Post by SmackDownPete » Wed Apr 22, 2015 10:59 pm

^ I agree. If it wasn't for Jenocide I don't think my dog would be nearly as well behaved as he is now. She definitely knows how to handle a dog, Whereas I am terrible. I think the only reason he listens to me is because in his doggie mind I am one step above him in the pack since me and Jenocide are so close.

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Post by I REALLY HATE POKEMON! » Wed Apr 22, 2015 11:27 pm

[QUOTE="DarkZero, post: 1530696, member: 34654"]You didn't say any normal circumstances (whatever that would entail anyway). You just said any circumstances. I would take that to mean that you believe that you can abuse a dog in any way you wanted but as soon as it bites back, the dog's in the wrong. How else would one interpret that?[/quote]

Yeah, I didn't say "normal" circumstances. I don't think I should have to. Regardless, I did when you asked and now you're just harping on me not specifying the obvious.

As for how else one may interpret it, maybe try common sense (this is an overused saying but boy if it isn't true, common sense ain't so common).

[Quote=DarkZero]And those dogs most likely have deep-seated trust issues with humans. People are dicks to dogs on a regular basis, it's only to be expected that dogs wouldn't care for that.[/QUOTE]

Sure, people abuse the hell out of animals sometimes. Clearly biting would be expected then. If the animal came from an abusive home I could understand but otherwise there's not a lot of excuse IMO.

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Post by I REALLY HATE POKEMON! » Wed Apr 22, 2015 11:50 pm

[QUOTE="User Name, post: 1530710, member: 31164"]All dogs are different and some require more care and more work. I mean, it's not like a family is going to go on TV and say they're abusive to their dog. They very well could be, you don't know. Anyway, competing with dogs for alpha status is kind of the point and if you can't handle it, maybe you're not ready for a dog.[/Quote]

Anything is possible but I doubt they abuse their animals and I'll only consider it a technical possibility.

Ready for a dog? I had dogs. Any dogs I had instantly knew their place but one. My sister's dog is the nicest dog I ever met. These are good dogs. I know good dogs. I don't mind if someone wants to reform a bad dog, go ahead. I don't want to.

[Quote=User Name]Anyway, looks like I'm not getting anywhere. Dogs respond to humans. If human is doing something wrong, dogs respond. Dogs take work. They take care. If you don't see that, fine. I'm out. Your view is so sad and the reason there are so many good doggies in the pound.[/QUOTE]

Those dogs deserve the pound. There's always a sap willing to deal with them though, just not enough of them.

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Post by Scarecrow » Thu Apr 23, 2015 1:03 am

Dogs are family, and like family they make mistakes even if is out faults. We don't send brothers or sisters to jail just because they've punched or kicked us so why would we do the same to our dogs or just pets in general.

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Post by I REALLY HATE POKEMON! » Thu Apr 23, 2015 1:08 am

^ I guess mistakes happen in certain situations, like if your dog just got in a dog fight, but I'm talking normal circumstances.

My dog, Gramps, would growl if you pet him, rear up for attack if you tried to catch him when he run off, tries to bite if you touch his food.

I liked the dog but he wasn't nice. That was just Gramps, he was the worst I ever had.

Then there was Prancer. Oh man, this dog was so sweet, needy and protective. If I stepped outside she would literally cry and look out the window in literal grief. We once left for the majority of the day and she was just NUTS when we got back.

She bit but only anyone who approached us, never us, not a growl, ever.

THAT'S a dog, man. That's a dog. Fun to play and kick back with, sleep with, eat with. Really affectionate and cool.

Screw Gramps. I mean, Gramps was still my dog but low tier.

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