Love Has No Labels

Random User · #41

[QUOTE="I REALLY HATE POKEMON!, post: 1523601, member: 18119"]Then try detailing what you didn't understand.[/QUOTE]
The part where you BS'd the whole post.

I REALLY HATE POKEMON! · #42

[QUOTE="Revenant User, post: 1523651, member: 35827"]The part where you BS'd the whole post.[/QUOTE]

Very focused comment, I can't imagine anything more constructive than your post, it really set us on the right track here, thanks for that.

Well I guess we're done here.

#43

[QUOTE="Saria Dragon of the Rain Wilds, post: 1522835, member: 17429"]Because these people exist. And they don't have the luxury of divorcing themselves of the accidents of culture and genetics they were born with. Their every day is an expression of their love within the brightness and shadow of their differences. It's not weaker, or lesser, or more unremarkable than the love someone might show in forgiveness. Though, these people going on stage to say, "I'm here, I exist, my love is the same as your love" is a kind of broader, universal love towards all the people they must forgive for hating, marginalising, and disrespecting them for qualities they were born with. None of them have the luxury of just ignoring the stigmas. They must live them. The least we can do is bear witness.[/QUOTE]

We're social creatures. We want love, and friendship. I'm not overly impressed that sometimes we reach across arbitrary barriers for it, and I don't think it's all that special.

Like...all right. I see the lesbian couple from early on in the video. Like, I guess I'm happy for them that they found someone to love in each other, but, you know...what now? Does their love prevent them from robbing liquor stores? Does the friendship between Jewish Guy and Moslem Guy stop them from firebombing that Sikh temple the next block over? And how about that old Asian couple? You know them two had a hand in the Khmer Rouge. Man. They were probably members of the same death squad.

I kind of don't find love all that inspiring. It is a very human emotion. Christ, Hitler and Eva Braun were evidently very much in love. The Holocaust, the Great Leap Forward, Unit 731 were all cooperative, collaborative efforts. I want to be better than love, or cooperation, or peace. I want the world to be better.

...I don't know. Maybe I'm just sick, horribly sick, here.

#44

Boy. My cell-number starts out with '731'. There is literally not one more configuration of digits would disgust me more. I might actually look at '666' as a step up. Ugh.

I REALLY HATE POKEMON! · #45

[Quote=Booyakasha]We're social creatures. We want love, and friendship. I'm not overly impressed that sometimes we reach across arbitrary barriers for it, and I don't think it's all that special.[/quote]

Love is just a biological mating mechanism between couples. When applied to family it's a defense mechanism, for example, ensuring your genes pass on and thrive; similarly, with friends it's just biological imperative, survival. There's safety in numbers.

Human love is nothing but a fantastic feeling tool of nature, not a damn speck of magic in it. Sounds cold but I just see it that way.

Bomby · #46

You appear to have "love" confused with an extremely narrow definition of "sexual attraction." Not all love is sexual in nature. I love my parents but I'm not sexually attracted to them, and I have a slight feeling that there's probably some people you love that you aren't sexually attracted to.

Also, sexual attraction clearly occurs between persons of several different gender configurations.

I REALLY HATE POKEMON! · #47

^ http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_bonding

I, almost certainly poorly (as usual), already explained why you probably love your parents but here's an excerpt from that link:

Babies have an inbuilt need from birth to make emotional attachments, i.e. bonds, because this increases the chances of survival by ensuring that they receive the care they need.

As for the gender configurations bit, I'd rather not delve into my opinions on that. Suffice to say, there's reasons for that as well.

#48

Boo, again, the people who live with differences don't always get to take for granted that some people don't judge them. They can't stop being a racial minority, or disabled, or just give up wondering when they will walk into a public place with their son and face vitriol and discrimination for raising a child with another man. They can't wake up tomorrow safe in the assumption that the clothes they wear peacefully in respect for their religion won't have them harassed or assaulted, or turn back the hourglass to lessen their age. You don't actually have to find it inspiring. The people this is directly relevant to might, though.

Of course, if that's how you're going to break it down, we can return to your first examples as well. Forgiving someone who's done you great personal wrong doesn't stop you from going on to do terrible things yourself, either. One forgiveness does not erase bias, or other hatreds, or future judgement. But you know, yeah, universal love, cooperation, and peace does tend to be an antithesis to causing other people suffering, if that love, cooperation, and peace doesn't stand by arbitrary boundaries where someone can draw the line between "us" and "them". See, the remarkable thing about your list there? Those very atrocities were committed mostly against these kinds of minorities. Racism done large in ethnic cleansing, eradication of the disabled and homosexual, slaughtering those of other religions. Experimenting almost exclusively on anyone deemed "other" by the people in power. Treating minority races as sub-human. Treating gays as sub-human. Treating people with impairments as sub-human.

Just substitute your niece and nephew into any of these situations. What might they face if they fall in love with someone in a wheelchair, or with Down syndrome, or who is Deaf? If they love a person of colour, or the same gender, or someone non-binary, or a person who wears religious dress? And when they are old, and have loved for all those years, and they are constantly told to cease being a real person, cease having a sexual life, cease being loving, their knowledge and experience and capabilities all ignored for the fact that they have grey hair and wrinkles and have become less-human in modern culture? Then what? Does it matter, now? Does it matter that we speak out and say, yes, their love is the same love as yours, mine, everyone's, and they are real, and we acknowledge they exist, that they are here, that they love? Or is love still not noble enough?

Bomby · #49

IRHP:
Actually, I just failed to read your entire post. That was very disrespectful and unprofessional of me and I owe you an apology for that. I'm sorry.
Not that I don't also have the tendency to be a condescending douchebag at times, but that's beside the point.

As far as sexual attraction occurring between differing, "opinion" doesn't figure into the matter. That's like holding an opinion that beef is a vegetable and orange juice is made of used moccasins.

Hell, it's not even exclusive to humans:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual ... in_animals
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_change ... sex_change

You clearly have the opinion that non-binary gender sexual activity is somehow immoral, and I'm not going to waste my time trying to disprove that. I have no idea what kind of logic you're basing that moral on, but have fun watching more and more of the rest of the world find fault in your belief.

Now I remember why I usually don't post in these threads anymore. Peace out.

I REALLY HATE POKEMON! · #50

^ It's okay, no biggie.

I disagree but I think I've debated about gender stuff enough for the month. For the record, my moral views are my own, I don't want to impose upon anybody's freedom. The real problem I have is with attempts to shift views and society as a whole through tactical force.

The world is a messed up place, it's inevitable that my beliefs will succumb to vile. Luckily, my beliefs entail an end to that as well.[DOUBLEPOST=1426384251,1426383729][/DOUBLEPOST]SD: People just have the best interest of the child in mind, not discrimination, when they don't like gays raising kids. I don't want to debate whether or not it actually is or is not in the child's best interest but it's not a matter of discrimination. There are people who tolerate homosexuals but don't think they should raise children.

Random User · #51

It's either having parents or remaining in an orphanage. I feel that perhaps having parents would be healthier.

I REALLY HATE POKEMON! · #52

^ Someone else take you up on that. I just wanted to point out it's not because of discrimination but concern that it's a debated topic.

Random User · #53

People should be more concerned about themselves, then.

I REALLY HATE POKEMON! · #54

[QUOTE="Revenant User, post: 1523764, member: 35827"]People should be more concerned about themselves, then.[/QUOTE]

People are plenty concerned with themselves. But no, when a couple breaks up or something the best interest of the child is taken into consideration. It should be no different pawning them off to any couple.

Random User · #55

There are people whose job it is to do that. I don't feel it is necessary for it to be a public issue.

ScottyMcGee · #56

[QUOTE="Booyakasha, post: 1523695, member: 17381"]Christ, Hitler and Eva Braun were evidently very much in love. [/QUOTE]

Okay I read that really quickly and was very confused.

I imagined Jesus, Hitler and Eva all holding hands together.

I was very confused.

But I'm good now.

#57

If my niece or nephew finds someone to love, regardless of what that person is, hallelujah. My only hope is that the person is worthy. I don't want poor River falling into the trap of loving on someone who's just a...a real piece of sh*t, in the final estimation. I've been there, and it's really bad biz.

I don't think love is special. It's a biological and social imperative, isn't it. Like, I relate to this steez, but I'm not inspired by it. I don't want to be human, but I have to be.

I don't understand the 'love conquers all' mindset. Isn't what we do more important than what we are?

Please, don't let's fight. I'm not after hurting anyone. I want to be friends.

United Nations · #58

I wanna know what loooove issssss. I want you to shooow meeeee!

ScottyMcGee · #59

I believe in love but at the same time consider it overrated in using it to "save the world." Love is a terribly misused and misunderstood concept. Love can be dangerous and begin entire wars (love of one's country, religion, etc.) It creates an exclusive circle that others outside of it become jealous or critical about.

My alternative is simply friendship. Friendship is powerful in that just simply being there can completely alter the course of people's lives. You don't necessarily have to love them, but just being there to say, "Dude, I don't think that's such a good idea" can make a huge difference.

#60

[QUOTE="Booyakasha, post: 1523839, member: 17381"]I don't understand the 'love conquers all' mindset. Isn't what we do more important than what we are?

Please, don't let's fight. I'm not after hurting anyone. I want to be friends.[/QUOTE]

Love and acceptance are motives. The driving force behind good deeds. Of course our actions are the most important thing, what we say and do, but those actions have to come from somewhere.

We're not fighting, by my estimation. Friendship is not traded out on the basis that you don't like a video.