The universe

imported_Parrakarry · #41

I've got another idea for you. How about, we haven't existed for as long as we think. Maybe we've only been down here a year, a month, a week, a day. If "God" is all-powerful, he could make us think we'd been here all our lives, when in actuality we've only existed for a few SECONDS. There are many, many, many theories on this, and it's more likely that something we haven't thought up yet is the answer, as opposed to something we have thought up. Why does there need to be a supreme being? Isn't it possible that this universe merely exists because of a freak combination of gasses coming together at the right time? You all say "Innocent until proven guilty"? The only proof there ISN'T is proof vouching FOR God. The Bible says everything was created in a matter of seven days, in a particular order? Ever heard of evolution?

I'm not disproving God at all. I'm just saying that you shouldn't blindly obey what a book -- written by humans, might I add -- tells you.

imported_Parrakarry · #42

Maybe "God" knew he could create life, but wasn't sure if he could implant memories or not -- he may not be all-powerful, just seem as such in our eyes -- and be trying it out. We may see Him as an ant sees us -- sure to be able to do anything.

Princess Zelda of Hyrule · #43

No, I'm saying you're arguing about something you don't know about.

If we knew what we were arguing about, then we wouldn't have any reason to argue about it.

You're not even 'investigating' it because you can't during ordinary life.

We're not "investigating". We're speculating. We're wondering. We're experiencing step one of every brilliant breakthrough: the cluelessness phase. Now, why shouldn't we?

My point is, you can think you're the king of the world all your life even if you aren't, but you won't be and you can't ever be if you just conclude that you are. You don't even have motivation to try.

We don't have the motivation to try? Then why do you suppose that more than half the world is still trying? Haven't you ever once considered that maybe all of this creation bullcrap, whatever it is, might actually hold meaning for someone? I don't want to know that I'm the queen of the world. I just want to know that I'm not just a random coincidence that the world could do without, and that I actually belong where I am and at this time. That's motivation enough for me to try some crazy fairy-tale idea like religion.

I think I see what AI meant. In truth, we really have no solid idea what may or may not have happened, and to preach (mwa ha ha! Horrible pun!) one view or theory as being the end-all answer is a little risky. Because then the search for enlightenment is lost to a petty squabble between broken egos.

I'm not preaching my own theory as being the undebatable truth. I'm only sharing it as my belief and defending my right and reason to have it.

The Bible says everything was created in a matter of seven days, in a particular order? Ever heard of evolution?

God and the Bible are two completely different things. What the Bible says might not be what God is.

Why does there need to be a supreme being? Isn't it possible that this universe merely exists because of a freak combination of gasses coming together at the right time? You all say "Innocent until proven guilty"? The only proof there ISN'T is proof vouching FOR God.

Fundamentalists don't choose their beliefs based on science or proof. It's a lot deeper than that. For some, yes, it's indoctrination, but for others, it's an attempt to hold onto some little pinprick of order and security in what feels like a swarming, chaotic, unfeeling existence. If it keeps them alive, then why take it away from them? If they don't want science, then don't jam science down their throats. That's just as wrong as forcing people to convert to Christianity.

Princess Zelda of Hyrule · #44

Maybe they all collided at one point. I don't know. But the Big Bang isn't the only possibility. And the theory is so vague that trying to believe in it is almost as difficult as trying to believe in God.

Princess Zelda of Hyrule · #45

If you come to believe in your own imagination, and believe it to be truth, then you will no longer search.

The same goes for people who are content with the obvious and refuse to mess with imagination. Like they're ever going to search. Maybe religious people are narrow-minded, but at least we're minded. At least we're making assertions and accomplishing something for ourselves and others. Humans are the most intelligent animals on earth. We're also the only animals on earth that have the capacity for imagination, and it's probably there for a reason. It's sad that belief always has to be associated with lies, because belief is what gives truth the elbowroom it needs to be discovered. As crazy as a guy would have to be to set off on a quest to find Santa Claus, he's much more likely to stumble across a cure for cancer on his way than a person who hides in his own little hole and and never dares to question common sense. If common sense has only gotten us this far, then something must be wrong with it. Maybe it's time for some kookiness.

[ December 29, 2003, 11:09 PM: Message edited by: Princess Zelda of Hyrule: God Bless ]