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Post by Kargath » Wed Sep 12, 2007 7:03 pm

*gong crash*

Thus comes the 13th, and with it the end of my participation in the NLBFT. As I have stated before, my hard and fast deadline of the 20th is approaching, and since tourney rounds run for at least a week there is no point in me continuing further. This does not mean I am not interested in seeing a judging from HotD - far from it, I would love to hear from the one whose opinion on my work I value the most. Still, time and blades wait for no man.

I leave this tournament with mixed feelings. It was a great experience for me to create - to truly write again. It is something I have not done for too long a time. I wrote characters I felt possessed a real reason to be there and fighting, and the chance and circumstance that occurred allowed me to provide 'package deal' battlegrounds that really helped provide a motivation for the conflict. I even managed to put in some self-parody in the second round.
However, my experience was poisoned in the past week as the apparent 'true' nature of this tourney was explicated to me by Wyborn. What I had thought was a contest of technical literary skill and overall narrative talent was revealed to me in a few short sentences to be nothing more than a shouting match with descriptions of blood. Truth be told, I have been seriously thinking about my future in the tournament - even before time threw me out. As I realised that due to the revealed nature of the tournament, for my best chance at winning I'd have to be an ass and follow the optimal strategy I set out on page 25. It wasn't something I was sure I could live with ... there's just no skill or fun in just saying you win ... no difference between here and the Battle Board under that system. You might as well attack with bullet points.
It is mildly ironic to me that what I consider the best battle I participated in was rated as my worst. :/ I do not consider it my best battle because of the gigantic win margin, but because of the way I was able to create a character with true presence, and create a scenario that allowed Inferno and I to create battle posts that truly fit together with *motivation* behind our character's actions. Granted Inferno could have lifted his game both in terms of narrative and (especially) technical skill, but it still managed to work as a whole.

It is a shame for me that many of the ideas I had left I was unable to use ... the nature of Unnamed's limit lines (though he really had no need for them in that battle), the bizarre behaviour that Lucas could exhibit, the planned linkbacks I had in Lucille's story and the revelations to Richter of the implications of his actions. I'm also annoyed slightly that I didn't get to show HotD the certain battler I said I would to her, but that's probably my fault for not bringing her in earlier.

So in closing, whilst this battlefield and tourney remains the same, Lucille's fight is the last one you're going to see from me. I am, however, waiting for that tourney of yours, Wyborn. Then perhaps you, me, Erdawn, Selene, MM et al can have some real battles.
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She’s covered herself in make-up
But she can’t make up her mind
She’s a damsel in distress
She feels a damn fool in this dress
She lives alone
And I know how she feels
She has the mind of Sharon Stone
And the heart of Danielle Steel
Spends hours in front of the bookcase
A beast with two paperbacks in bed
She’s read them all from go to woe
And arranged them from A to Z
And you can judge a book by it’s cover
A kingdom for a horse, a condom for a lover
She lives alone
And I know how she feels
She has the mind of Sharon Stone
And the heart of Danielle Steel
I understand
She’s up in arms and down at heel
But it’s getting out of hand
She has the heart of Danielle Steel
So take off your horn-rimmed rose-coloured glasses
And shake out your shining hair again
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Post by Videospirit » Wed Sep 12, 2007 8:43 pm

Dude, you horribly misunderstood what he was saying.

He was saying that since the battle is a well, battle, you're supposed to try and WIN that battle, and that the characters fighting in it should be roughly evenly matched so that the writing skill of the writers determines who wins.

This particular tournament values how well you fought much more than who actually won the match physically. From what I hear of the red lions tournament, it's a bloodbath the goes till one of the fighters defeats the other, which is more like what you seem to think this tournament is.

This new tournament of Wyborn's is suggesting using what you wanted to do here though, a battle where the storyline is more important than who wins and loses, which wouldn't even have a real need for the characters to be equal.

In any event, this is mostly irrelevant since Lucille and Richter were pretty much equal, so the fight came down to who played better.

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Post by Kargath » Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:10 pm

^The thing is, you can't "try" to win a battle. You can try to win a game of Smash Bros. You can try to win a game of chess. You can try to beat your personal best running a kilometre. With this though, you can't "try". You either decide you lose, decide you partially win, or decide you fully win.

You see, you're still referring to comparing the 'fighting ability' of the characters, when the very nature of 'writing fights' like this means you can declare your character to be super-awesome at everything and declare that your opponent fought shoddily.
Since both authors have total power over the events that occur in their respective posts, comparing who 'won'/'killed' the other character, who 'did more damage', or even 'which character had the better fighting skills' is meaningless.
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Post by Videospirit » Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:34 pm

... you just steamrolled right past the "the characters fighting in it should be roughly evenly matched" point without noticing didn't you?
you can declare your character to be super-awesome at everything
Maybe, it would offend some people and probably wouldn't be a very in depth character which would cost you points. but if you also
declare that your opponent fought shoddily.
You're breaking the primary rule of the Gunjin forum, all characters are assumed to be evenly matched, one may be better at certain categories like power or endurance, but they should both have a chance of being the one on top at the end.
You either decide you lose, decide you partially win, or decide you fully win.
No, you roleplay your character.
Since both authors have total power over the events that occur in their respective posts, comparing who 'won'/'killed' the other character, who 'did more damage', or even 'which character had the better fighting skills' is meaningless.
Not meaningless, you're supposed to maintain the realism of the battle while simultaneously attempting to fairly defeat your opponent. If both players fight fairly, than the one who managed to "win" the fight while fighting fairly should be rewarded, and if one player skimps out on the realism of the battle in order to steamroll their opponent, they may get the small score boost for "winning" but they'll have lost so many points in every other category they'll lose the match.

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#525

Post by Scripture » Sun Sep 16, 2007 9:57 pm

So how's everyone doing this fine Sunday night? Lounging in cobwebs, I bet. Perhaps examining the congealed grease on the axels of this tournament? Maybe, even, perusing post upon post of Kargath and Wyborn arguing - one with poise and the other without?

Who really knows, though?

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Post by Repster » Sun Sep 16, 2007 10:17 pm

I am Repster™, I have not slept in the last 30 hours, probably more. Why? Felt like it. Prime thinking state, and nothing to do around here but collect dust. So... I'm at about page 5 reading past fights. And technically... it's closer to Monday then Sunday round here...

But yeah... cobwebs are nice... such interesting patterns... 's amazing what can come out of a spiders rear end...
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Post by Galefore » Sun Sep 16, 2007 10:58 pm

Eh, if HotD is not going to judge, it would appear might as well start the next round. I was actually waiting just to see if, by some miracle, her score turned it around. But Kargath has resigned, there is no point in waiting, and all that. So yeah. Next round will be up soon.

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Post by Videospirit » Mon Sep 17, 2007 10:07 am

No reason the third judging can't be after the final round starts either, since the final match has its own thread.

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Post by The Willful Wanderer » Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:36 pm

Since you don't seem to be watching anything else...

Galefore, I'm still in need of some feedback of that drawing for the "draw" pictures of "you" thing over in the art forum.

Also: Aww, competitor go bai-bai.

Further: Interesting choice of new judge.

Even more: I still don't have all the nominations I was told I'd be getting for the Gunjin Awards, if the people responsible for said nominations could finally get off their asses and send them in, I'd be quite happy.

Finally: Any chance I could get the round start delayed to Wednesday?
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Post by Galefore » Tue Sep 18, 2007 4:34 pm

Eh, yeah. I won't have internet access again until Friday, so it will either have to start then or someone else will have to do it.

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Post by X-3 » Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:32 pm

Erdawn versus Selene, eh? Heh, this'll be interesting.

I would've joined this one for good practice, but by the time I discovered it, it was filled up. Oh well. Good luck with the fight, you two.

Oh, and I guess it would be a good idea to de-float the "Signups", right? I mean, it's not really being used anymore.

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Post by Repster » Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:35 pm

's on my to do list. Cat and dogs were being annoying.
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Post by The Willful Wanderer » Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:46 am

Damn it, damn it, Damn it DAMMIT!

Stupid board didn't bold or bump the topic when Erdawn replied. Freakin' a. Here I'd been waiting for him to post his entry, and the THING IS ALREADY GORRAM THERE.

I want to stab forty random people. I'd never actually do it, but I want to.
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Post by Kargath » Sat Sep 29, 2007 3:04 am

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Post by Erdawn Il Deus » Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:29 pm

Posted. Make note.
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Post by The Willful Wanderer » Sun Oct 07, 2007 12:49 pm

You don't know about drop bears?

Erdawn, just check the drop bear article out. It'll abruptly make a lot more sense.
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Post by Erdawn Il Deus » Sun Oct 07, 2007 6:10 pm

Oh wow. It does make more sense. I am now fighting an army of mythical Australian teddy bears.
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Post by The Willful Wanderer » Sun Oct 07, 2007 8:31 pm

Razor-toothed ones, yet.

See? Toldja.
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Post by The Willful Wanderer » Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:20 pm

Wait, I didn't hear a bell. Did you hear a bell?

I think it's over, Jim.

Where's the Galefore and judges?
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Post by Repster » Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:40 pm

It's been over for awhile now. How'd I miss that...

The judges however, should not have.

Which brings up your question again... Where are they.
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